Dethklok’s wildly popular animated series, Metalocalypse, returns this month for its third season on Cartoon Network’s Adult Swim. The series’ creator, writer, songwriter and resident guitar god, Brendon Small, is currently touring America with a live-band version of Dethklok, performing such timeless classics as “Bloodrocuted” and “Briefcase Full of Guts” under an animated screen. The band’s second album, Dethalbum II, debuted in September at #15 on Billboard, making it the highest-charting death metal album in history.
Team Last Call: I’m trying to imagine the initial pitch you made to the network for a cartoon about a death metal band that murders its own fans.
Brendon Small: I work for a network that is contrarian, so they got it immediately. It wasn’t too hard of a sell. I know they’ve gotten tons of pitches for, like, “It’s a band, but they’re zombies.” This isn’t a new thing. It started with The Archies. They made millions of dollars off of this band that didn’t exist.
TLC: So, you basically get to make cartoons, tell jokes and play guitar for a living.
BS: I definitely have the ultimate job. I can’t think of any other job I’d rather be doing. The only bad part is that I talked people into financing it, and now I have to deliver it. Even though it’s fun work and it’s satisfying work, it’s still work. I don’t take vacations and I don’t sleep that often. Right now I’m at that point where I’m like, “Oh, wow. I’m missing deadlines on the writing side because I’m on the road. I wonder how that’s going to work out?”
TLC: You’re out-selling and out-charting the “real” bands, some of which, like Mastodon, you’re even touring with. Does that get uncomfortable?
BS: I don’t believe that people would buy my record in place of buying a Mastodon record. I think there’s room for everything. I think the only person I would be in direct competition with is if there were another cartoon metal band out there. And hey, any other dildo that wants to go create a TV show and do what I did – why didn’t you do it first?
TLC: Dethklok is kind of like the gateway drug of metal bands.
BS: That has been the coolest part about this. The thing that I get is, “Hey, this is my first metal show ever,” or “I never purchased a metal record before,” or “I don’t even like metal, but I like Dethklok. What else is out there?”
TLC: Goodbye Hannah Montana, hello Cannibal Corpse.
BS: If I can do just a little of that, then I’m happy.
TLC: For the uninitiated, can you explain the purpose of a pain waiver?
BS: A pain waiver legally disallows any liability for anything that could possibly happen to you within the realm of Dethklok. So you trip, you fall, you die … You basically fill it out and you enter your credit card number, your pin number, your social security number, your date of birth and all that stuff, and then we have rights to film your dead body, we have rights to all kinds of fucked up stuff.
TLC: It even says that if the sight of you getting murdered disturbs the band members …
BS: They have the right to sue you. It’s pretty harsh, but you gotta think about the band. You gotta make them happy. If you bum them out by dying in front of them, then they can sue you.
TLC: What do you think is the grossest thing that’s happened to audience members at a Dethklok show?
BS: I’d probably say falling in love with each other. I think that’s pretty disgusting.
TLC: What was your personal favorite crowd massacre scene to write?
BS: It’s hard to go beyond what we did in the first show, which was, they do a coffee jingle and they pour scalding hot coffee on people in these gigantic vats, and then they put cream and sugar on top of them too, just to humiliate them even more. We could launch convicted felons into the sky and destroy them with a laser beam if we wanted to, but that fucking coffee thing, it’s hard to beat that. I think tarring and feathering would be kind of fun. Like, smearing their collective faces into dog shit would be a funny thing to me.
TLC: What powers does Dethklok’s music have?
BS: There are things that happen once they get together and start playing. There are even possible supernatural things that happen. Sometimes they get together and play and the weather starts changing.
TLC: What’s next for Dethklok?
BS: They’re in a very precarious place since we left them in the last episode. They’re basically without a manager, and they’re driving their own business right into the shitter. This third season deals with a little bit more of that “OK, we’re up here. Who the fuck are we now? Now what do we do?”
TLC: And what’s next for you?
BS: In the near future, I see a vacation happening. I won’t fucking do anything. I’ll sleep and put on 40 or 50 pounds. Eat some really good food. Kill a couple of trannies. You know, the American dream.
*Reprinted from Fly Magazine
Mastodon’s Blood Mountain is – I promise – the nastiest, wickedest, most scorching, jaw-dropping, psychedelic, bludgeoning, relentless, ridiculous piece of ear candy you will hear all year.
The Atlanta-based foursome has been called everything from “the future of metal” to “the new Metallica,” and for good reason. They are hardcore, indie rock, prog and metal all rolled up into one fierce, melodic, bone-crushing beast that will have you grinning from ear to ear despite the fact that you now have to sleep with the lights on.
The lyrics of Blood Mountain are a fantastical mind-warp that detail an epic adventure involving an elusive crystal skull, a one-eyed sasquatch, a tribe of little tree-people that unite to form a giant and a hallucinogenic root – perhaps the same root the band members were chewing when they wrote the story.
Mastodon is a band that lives up to its name in both its sound and its stature in the metal scene (and beyond). Team Last Call caught up with drummer and lyricist Brann Dailor – the man Dave Grohl has dubbed the best drummer in the world – to learn the subtle distinction between being a fan of giants and sasquatches (cool) and a fan of dragons and wizards (decidedly uncool).
Team Last Call: So, there’s this weird phenomenon that’s happening with Mastodon, where people who don’t normally listen to metal are completely obsessed with your album. Why do you think that is?
Brann Dailor: There’s so many different people that have come out of the woodwork, so to speak, and told us that they’re getting into it. They don’t listen to much else but indie rock, and we’re the one guilty-pleasure metal band that they’re able to get into. I think it’s maybe because we as people and as a band, we listen to tons of different kinds of music. The music we play is obviously rooted in metal and it’s got the heaviness and the intensity that metal can bring, but there’s a lot of other stuff involved.
TLC: Just about every music mag on planet earth is slobbering over [Blood Mountain] now. What’s that’s like?
BD: It’s a lot better than people hating it, because there’s always that possibility. [laughs] When you put out a record, it’s a pretty vulnerable place to be. You’re asking for people to judge you. I try not to read too many reviews, but I’ve seen a few, and luckily they’ve all been really good. That’s a good feeling. It’s like putting a child into the world. I think at the moment we’re starting to get a lot more regular fans, instead of just being the “musicians’ band” that we were for years.
TLC: A lot of your breakthrough has to do with the fact that you switched to a major label. Were you apprehensive about taking that step?
BD: No. I wasn’t worried at all. I mean, I knew that we were making the right decision. If we had the opportunity to move up, then we should do it and not let it pass us by just based on – what? – “Oh, we gotta keep true to the indie scene or the underground.” I mean, Jesus! I’m 32 years old. I don’t have time for that train of thought anymore. And we didn’t change anything [musically]. It’s the natural progression of our band.
TLC: I’ve read articles where people are straight-up calling Mastodon “the future of metal” and “the new Metallica.” How do you even function with that kind of pressure?
BD: I just ignore it. It doesn’t do anything to me. It’s nice that it’s being said, but it’s something that journalists do to get people interested in the band that they’re digging. You have to say something extreme to get people’s attention. You have to say Metallica. You can’t say any other band, like, “Oh, these guys are the next W.A.S.P.!” But I don’t pay attention to stuff like that. I just go about my business as the insecure human being that I am and try to play the best drums I can and try to make sure each performance is up to Mastodon’s standards.
TLC: Where do you think the attraction to the whole mythical, mystical side of things comes from? Sasquatches, giants, birchmen …
BD: I thought everybody was into that! [laughs] I mean, how much money did “Lord of the Rings” make?
I think that’s a way for us to remain like little kids. I saw that episode of “In Search Of …” with Leonard Nimoy when they talk about the bigfoot, and after that, everything I wanted to do and see had to have something to do with bigfoot. I was really into dinosaurs when I was a little kid, just like every little boy. And it makes for bad-ass metal T-shirts. We just prefer to do that instead of being so literal about everything and telling people, “I’m sad because this happened to me today …” like some 13-year-old girl. We’re adults.
TLC: I guess once you’re 32 you can’t just be mad at your dad all the time.
BD: No, you really can’t. I like my dad. He’s awesome. [laughs] We just like that element of fantasy. We think the idea of searching for a crystal skull is cool. You gotta ride that fence. Is this cool? Are we becoming a parody?
TLC: Where do you draw that line? And what crosses the line?
BD: Dragons.
TLC: Dragons?
BD: Yep. No dragons.
TLC: Why dragons?
BD: No dragons, man. You just can’t do it. Can’t go there.
TLC: You’ve talked a lot about getting song material from dreams. Are these substance-induced dreams, or are your dreams really that weird?
BD: I don’t know. It’s not all from dreams. Some of it, I’m wide-awake and just thinking about stuff and brainstorming. I just sit around and think about bizarre shit all day long and try to go into the abstract.
TLC: People write about it like you guys lock yourselves in a room with a suitcase full of acid and come out with an album concept.
BD: That’s not true. I used to do a shitload of acid, and maybe when I was 15 and I took all that acid it opened up a door for me, and now I know where that door is. I don’t need the acid anymore to get there.
TLC: Makes sense. So, I had a coworker who said that your album sounded like you were playing too much “Dungeons & Dragons.” If somebody says that to your face, do they get a high-five or a punch in the face?
BD: Them’s fightin’ words. We’re not “Dungeons & Dragons” nerds.
TLC: What’s the difference?
BD: Well, first, you gotta play “Dungeons & Dragons,” and I wouldn’t even know where to begin with that. And second of all, the word “dragon” is in there, so those are fighting words right there.
I don’t know, man. Our stuff, I don’t picture it like that. It’s more of another dimension. I see it more in the future, in outer space, just astral travel and stuff like that. It’s mystical, but it’s not like a wizard’s involved! It’s like life struggles. It’s just some guy lost in the woods, really, and he just starts eating various roots and starts tripping. He’s starving and he’s trying to get to the top of this mountain, and he thinks he has to find this crystal skull. For me in my head, it’s not “Dungeons & Dragons.”
TLC: So, where do you go from here, when you’re already being called the “future of metal?”
BD: I don’t know where you go. You just tour and tour and see what you can do, see how many people want to come out and see you play your music, and when the album cycle is over, you do it all over again.
TLC: So, you’re not going around thinking, “I am in the greatest metal band on earth!”
BD: No, never. It’s quite the opposite, actually. You gotta watch yourself. You gotta police yourself. You gotta make sure that the motivation for why you’re doing it stays intact. You’re not playing music for other people’s approval, or at least you’re not supposed to be. You’re not playing music for money. Money ruins art. You gotta watch out for it – even though 90 percent of the music out there is money-motivated, and everyone fucking loves it.
We’re just going to continue to do what we’re doing. Maybe it will go out of style in two years, but we’d be doing this regardless of what anybody was saying. This is all we know how to do, and this is all we want to do, and we’ve found something special in Mastodon with each other as friends and musicians. So that’s the deal.
*Reprinted from Fly Magazine